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AGIA and the $10 billion challenge

Everytime we hear lawmakers or members of the Palin administration talk about the beauty and necessity of AGIA, they always throw in the same line; it will save us from the $10 billion worth of concessions that the previous gas line proposal cost Alaskans.

As long as the $10 billion “concession” number under the SGDA negotiation keeps coming up, it should be known that this number was a piece of art and a falsity designed by DNR as a public relations tool after they became disenfranchised with the process.

At the end of the day the negotiation was structured so that the state would receive the same net total long-run fiscal receipts it would have received under the status quo fiscal structure at the time of the negotiation. The amount was over $100 billion in nominal dollars over 35 years, given a $5.50/mmbtu price in Chicago. This was all clearly laid out in the best interest finding. Getting that with a gasline would have been considered a major coup at that time. 

It was a total deal. Some things went up relative to the status quo and some went down.

But, again, at the end of the day, it came out the same.

For instance, the production tax was higher and the property taxes were higher. What was lower was, for instance, the fact that we would pay a small marketing fee since we were taking all our royalty and tax gas in-kind under that deal and were selling it ourselves. Or that we were giving up the right to assess taxes and royalties based on the higher of prevailing value or actual proceeds, again, because we were selling the tax and royalty gas ourselves.

So some things went up and some went down but the total was unchanged. What DNR did was only look at the things going down. That was the $10 billion. It’s like if you give me $5 and I give you $5 back, DNR was only looking at the $5 I gave you and called it a concession.

Of course the SGDA contract under former Governor Murkowski is long gone, but the $10 billion keeps coming up as a justification for why we cannot negotiate with the producers, why they are greedy. and more importantly why we must have AGIA to save us from our own inability to strike a business deal with companies who will assume the risk and build the project.

The $10 billion concession is a myth, and a false one at that.

I'd like to see this administration publicly decompose the $10 billion giveaway and show us the money. 


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PPT not ELF was part of Murkowski gasline

Andrew The first comment inferred that the $10 billion in savings came from maintaining the ELF tax. This is wrong. Gov Murkowski negotiated a deal with the producers that traded a tax increase for tax stability and a gas line. The previous year (Jan 2005 state of the union) Gov Murkowski suddenly raised taxes significantly by removing the ELF exemption on Prudhoe Bay satellite fields immediately and without prior notice. As a result the producers were concerned about tax stability during the 2005-2006 gas line discussions. My understanding is that the gasline deal involved a tax increase (PPT) in exchange for stability and a gasline. Well, the legislature took on Gov Murkowski 20% recommendation, approved a 22% PPT and refused to consider stability or a gasline. A year later, after the VECO scandal, Gov Palin introduces ACES as a 25% tax. The legislature turned that around in a record 30 day session and passed a 50-70% ACES tax to replace the 22% PPT. No stability or gasline deals for the producers. Sidebar: ELF was a great deal for the state during low oil prices, as the state got the 12.5% royalty and the 15% ELF regardless of what profits or lack thereof the producers were making. Remember 1999 and $10/bbl oil? No profits for the producers, but the state got the 15% ELF production tax where it was applied. Sidebar: There is no cap on the ACES tax. It was over 70% at $140/bbl. What would happen if oil prices kept rising and the legislature was not in session? The tax could exceed 100%! Would Prudhoe Bay get shut down? Brilliant!


Why You Are Wrong

As I understand the proposed SGDA deal, it would have locked in ELF rates for over 40 years. Under ELF, Kuparik would be paying ZERO taxes today. Prudhoe would not be paying much more. You are right in that the "deal" was to make all things equal but to have agreed to keep things at the ELF level would have been nothing short of highway robbery. So, AH, is it your opinion and position that the SGDA would have been a good deal for us?? I say heck no it would have been the worst deal in US petroleum history! Let's remove the spin, peel back the rhtoric and analyse details.

..I've never said the prior gas line proposal is what we should have taken, quite the contrary. While I believe this  administration is using it unfairly to try and make AGIA look like a sweet deal, it's unfair to simply use one side of the ledger without looking at the entire give and take. I've long such said that while the prior deal gave too much in various areas, AGIA gives too little. The solution is always in the middle.

   


Not ELF Rates..........

The old Murkowski deal would not have locked in ELF rates. Remember the so-called tainted Veco tax that Murkowski asked the legislature to pass? That was the prerequisite to locking in the rates. And the argument over the 22-1/2% vs 25% that ADN loves to quote gets lost in the escalator clause for high priced oil.


i have a question.

this $10 billion dollar question has been answered over and over and over and over. the fact you don't know the answer says more about you than it does about the gas line team. so the question is: could you be less relevant? your ongoing attempts to become part of the conversation are pretty sad. go rent someone an impala.

There you are, I was getting worried about you...thought you might be hiding from a supoena or something.

How about explaining it one more time, just for me and the 80,000 hits a day on this blog?

And while you're at it, how about laying out just how much TransCanada will pull down in benefits as the middle man...say as compared to the $10 billion in concessions.

We'll wait right here.

AH


So sad to be so down and out you try to be a Lyda imposter

This is quite pathetic. You can't answer the question so you say you have answered over and over without giving an answer -- and to think you are hiding by using Lyda's name. You are not only inept, you are also spineless. Heaven help Alaska!


Andrew, I understand your need to be fair...

by posting comments from readers with differing opinions. However, I think it goes without saying "you can't reason with idiots." To me time is precious, and I wouldn't waste a minute of it bantering with folks like this one. Sure, post his comments for us to read, but take the time it would take you to comment and spend it with your wife instead. We can read through his BS. I feel sorry for him personally. I assume he does not have much better to do in life. How sad.


there aint no bugs on me

of course you'll wait right here, what else would you do? nobody of any significance is asking your opinion, so, yes, you'll wait right here. quick, rent me an astro van. having your mom sit and click on your website all day isn't exactly a demonstration of your relevance. go do your homework, andy. the $10 billion is all part of the record. just do the work, woodward and bernstein. just because you can't find it doesn't mean it's not there. and the "concessions" for TC if you want to call them that are in the form of the state's capital match, exactly $500 million, not a penny more. so, for those other 3 people that pay attention to this space, then that's about 5% of $10 billion, your so called "marketing fee".

....Nice way to not answer the questions.

Please....the $500 million does not guarantee anything other than the state will lose $500 million....as opposed to the $10 billion..(which is a fabrication) that would have only come to pass if the pipeline had been built. Geez...throw $500 million out the window and be left with nothing or make concessions that would have easily been repaid through the returns generated by a working pipeline and cash back to the state.

And the concessions to TC? Just the $500 million? It's no  wonder the producers have laughed you guys out of the room when the idea that they would end up hooking up with TC under AGIA's terms has been floated.

Lets see, AGIA passed the House 37-1 last year and only 24-16 this year? Looks like you've lost some ground there Darla.

Keep up the good work of getting that pipeline built with a strategy  that will not attract the investment needed to build the pipeline. AH


Good to See the Other Side

Maybe the bomb throwers like Eddie Burke should read this.


The $bilions are in delay costs thanks to AGIA

Alaska Gas Interference Act This is true Andrew. The ten billion is a distortion. Again, no one holds the Palinistas accountable to tell the truth. If they say it, it must be true. What about the lost revenue associated with delay of a gas pipeline? AGIA will cost us tens of $billions in delay. In the end TransCanada will extract billions by capturing gas into their Alberta system - a true monopoly - much more than what may have been paid for fiscal certainty with producers. fiscalfrank


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