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The Debate: From surreal to so real

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It was surreal in St.Louis this week for the Vice Presidential debate. The pomp, the circumstance, the political celebrities all added to a twenty four hour experience that any political lover would die for.

On early Thursday morning I found myself a few feet away from Bob Scheaffer the CBS political guru. Moments later, former Senator and Law and Order star Fred Thompson strolled into the room where CBS was doing their early morning show.

From there it was a whirlwind of interviews with John Roberts at CNN, Andrea Mitchell at NBC, Rick Sanchez at CNN and Sheppard Smith at Fox News. The media tents were lined up in the quad on a brilliant sunny day at Washington University, with students waving  political signs and personal messages including one that read "Mom & Dad, I need a bailout like Wall Street".

In every interview they'd asked the same questions; what advice would you give Joe Biden? Be respectful, don't patronize and don't try and show she isn't ready for prime time or you'll look like a bully I'd say.

What advice would you give Sarah Palin? Stay on message and go on the offensive against Obama while being a strong advocate for McCain I'd answer.  

Judging from the debates, both candidates did exactly what they needed to do.

Palin needed to put the horrible Katie Couric interviews behind her, shore up her conservative supporters and show some of that gusto that brought her rave reviews after her RNC speech during the Republican Convention; she accomplished that.

Biden needed to show he could answer a question with brevity and sincerity without seeming patronizing; he accomplished that as well.

If the debate had a requirement for both candidates, it was the old doctor's oath of first do no harm. Both candidates did what they needed to do while not harming the top of the ticket.

While Biden clearly won, (both over night polls showed he won by a significant margin) Palin also won by exceeding expectations even though by all accounts they were pretty low going into the debate.

During the debate, Palin showed Biden why many of her opponents before him walked off stage feeling like they'd just spent the last ninety minutes watching Palin tap dance.

Palin lived up to her reputation of sticking to talking points even when the talking points were in no way related to the question asked by the moderator. She again resurrected her signature slogans of a new face and new energy while once more proving her magical ability to sell a complete lack of logic to the public. 

When moderator Gwen Ifill asked Palin to comment on the sub-prime mortgage mess impacting Americans, Palin launched into a bit about energy. "That is not so, but because that's just a quick answer, I want to talk about, again, my record on energy versus your ticket's energy ticket, also."

When asked by Ifill what a good exit strategy from Iraq would look like Palin responded by complimenting the surge: "I am very thankful that we do have a good plan..I am thankful that that is part of the plan implemented under a great American hero, Gen. Petraeus, and pushed hard by another great American, Sen. John McCain." 

In fact from the start Palin put both Ifill and Biden on notice that she might not answer their questions if it didn't suit her fancy;

"And I may not answer the questions that either the moderator or you want to hear, but I'm going to talk to the American people."

Early in the debate Palin argued that it was greedy Wall Street that created the economic mess the country finds itself in and promised tighter regulations to combat the abuses, "We need to make sure that we demand from the federal government strict oversight of those entities in charge of our investments and our savings." Minutes later she said government needed to get out the way and let the economy grow.

First Palin said that Americans had a hand in the financial troubles by taking on too much debt; "don't live outside of our means. We need to make sure that as individuals we're taking personal responsibility through all of this." Then she turned around and said the American consumers were the victims in the financial meltdown, "It's not the American peoples fault that the economy is hurting like it is."

But this was classic Palin. She offered virtually no specifics on the economy or other issues, she described herself and McCain as mavericks over and over again and repeated the same empty sound bites about reforming government and putting it back into the hands of the people. It was 2006 all over again.

However, calling yourself a maverick six times in a ninety minute debate doesn't make you a maverick, it makes you a narcissist.

As an Alaskan, and someone who has watched her administration closely her words didn't reconcile with her history.

During the debate she stated "And we're building a nearly $40 billion natural gas pipeline which is North America's largest and most you expensive infrastructure project ever to flow those sources of energy into hungry markets."

Not only is this not true, but she's been corrected on this misleading statement a number of times by her own staff as well as the press. As it stands today, Palin's pipeline plan is a pipeline to nowhere.

At one point she scolded Biden for talking about the Bush administration; "Americans are going to say, "Enough is enough with your ticket," on constantly looking backwards, and pointing fingers, and doing the blame game."

But in 2006, Palin got elected by demonizing and pointing fingers at her unpopular predecessor Frank Murkowski. 

Today she continues to try and score points by looking backwards like bringing up the jet Murkowski bought, claiming to have broken up an imaginary oil monopoly and saying she took on the good old boys, even though most of those same good old boys are alive and well, endorsing her and supporting her campaign.    

However, Biden was not without a mistake or two as well. His claim that McCain's health care plan would put thousands into insurance companies pockets... of course it would, who else would you pay your premiums to?

Biden was also misleading on his support for clean coal. Biden said he has "always" supported clean coal. He said "a comment made at a rope line was taken out of context" by John McCain's campaign.

In a video, recorded at the beginning of Biden's bus trip across Ohio last week, he is seen responding to a question about why the campaign is supporting clean coal. "We're not supporting clean coal," he says. "Guess what? China is building two every week, two dirty coal plants. And it's polluting the United States, it's causing people to die."

But none of this matters. 

The real focus over the next four weeks will be on the Presidential candidates who are scheduled to debate again this Tuesday, October 7.

In a few days this debate will be long forgotten and it will have no impact on the end result of the election. The fight now is between McCain and Obama, with polls showing that Obama is pulling away in key swing states as a result of the faltering economy.

Increasingly skittish employers chopped payrolls 159,000 jobs — more than double the cuts made just one month before. It was the ninth straight month of job losses that total 760,000 jobs  disappearing so far this year.

The Labor Department's report, released Friday, also showed that the nation's unemployment rate was 6.1 percent, up sharply from 4.7 percent a year ago. Over the last year, the number of unemployed people has risen by 2.2 million to 9.5 million.

Experts say the worst is not over: "We are likely to see more months of job losses before conditions turn around," said Joel Naroff, president of Naroff Economic Advisors in an Associated Press interview.

From surreal to so real.

 

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Outsider

I am not a registered voter and have limited interest in both parties. I have been closely watching the election campaign and feel that 'real' issues are not discussed at all, or when they do get discussed, it gets sidelined with some other character/image issue. I think US needs a leader who can carry a lot of weight at this juncture and I am sorry to say that I find both the candidates inadequate in this respect.


Sarah Anti-Semite Supporter?

I think we should start looking into Sarah's past. How about her Support of Pat Buchanan in the 1990's. It is widely known that he is an Anti-Semite. So maybe Sarah should start acting like the Christian she professes to be and take heed of Jesus' words: "Stop judging that you may not be judged: for with what judgment you are judging, you will be judged; and with the measure that you are measuring out, they will measure out to you. Why, then, do you look at the straw in your brother's eye, but do not consider the rafter in your own eye? Or how can you say to your brother, 'Allow me to extract the straw from your eye'; when, look! A rafter is in your own eye? Hypocrite! First extract the rafter from your own eye, and then you will see clearly how to extract the straw from your brother's eye.” - Matthew 7:1


Palin's free ride

The thing I have been running through my mind for weeks now is - why would we want a folksy, soccer-hockey mom, dad, just like us serving in our highest offices...wouldn't it be better to have intelligent, highly educated, unscripted people running the Country? Many students were able to memorize multiple thoughts and positions when in school to pass exams but that didn't mean they were capable of quick logical thinking on their feet. Any hick from the sticks anywhere could be dressed up to be VP. That doesn't mean the hick can get anything done or understand why it has to be done, who has to do it, where to turn to get answers or when to do something. Yes, Palin is good when someone else writes their opinions for her to deliver but look how dismal she was when required to give her own unscripted opinions.....is this really what we want only breath away from the Presidency? I THINK NOT. Why would we want a maverick unable to get along with their own party? People that cooperate, give and take, get a lot more done than single-minded people with the attitude of "my way or the highway!" It is most frustrating for viewers to put up with the unfair treatment of all the Presidental Candidates except for Sarah Palin. Why should she get a free pass on answering reporters questions. All networks should decide not to cover her until she does. If she refuses then so be it. I have heard nothing of substance from her so far.


Debate

Great article, and saw you on 2-3 programs. Great interviews and good advice to the candidates. Gov. Palin made it through, but she makes you want to beat your head against the wall. It is unfortunate, that she has allowed herself to be very shallow and her ego is amazing. She manipulates everybody, as well as her words. She is a piece of work, like watching an old Joan Crawford movie. SNL has been doing a hilarious job of her. What's next for Alaska? I hope that she is found guilty of abuse of power, because she needs to be stopped. She is a beautiful, intelligent woman, that has allowed herself to become morally corrupt. I don't care if she does try to call herself a Christian! This has been better/crazier than any soap opera, but also heart- breaking. Her treatment of animals is terrifying. McCain has always surrounded himself with sleazy friends, then have a sactimonious portrayal of a leader. What a sick pair. If they win, God forbid, only the rich, etc, will have money, they will bomb Iran, Russia and set the polar bears out on a raft to Hawaii. They are the dangerous pair. Oh well,! we will see what happens? Keep up your good work. May God Bless Alaska and our Country.


Beer with Biden or Palin?

I watched for the theatre of it all and did not expect much other than Palin proving she could easily debate in a format without follow-up questions. I was actually surprised by Biden. I thought he handled himself extremely well against a woman who jabs with a smile and takes advantage of the fact that a male opponent who jabs back will be labeled a bully. He gave answers when asked and those answers seemed to come from a base of knowledge, not a cram session of memorized highlights. I was also turned off by Palin's extreme "folksiness" - it rang false. I grew up on a small farm in a small midwest town and now live in Alaska - no-one I know talks or acts like that, all winky and gosh-darn. I also find it insulting that Palin seems to think that as a voter I don't care about intellect or knowledge, that I don't care if my leaders know less and have less curiousity about national and international issues than I do. Although some of Palin's misquotes at the debate and on the stump may be honest mistakes (tongue going faster than the brain), I believe many of them are intentional, designed to stick in the listener's brain to make it harder for the truth to take hold. Especially those that are obvious recitations of talking points. It's the "ends justifies the means" way of thinking. Republicans need to watch their backs. Palin has her eye on the Presidency and she'll stop at nothing and noone to get her way. And by the way, after witnessing this debate - I'd much rather have a beer with Biden than with Palin.


Our Country

Some of you people must be insane! First, thank you for this blog. Second, how can many of you, who KNOW Palin is an empty-suit, still state that you'll vote Republican regardless?? This shows me that you're just as nutty as Palin and McSame. Wake up!!!! Our country is in dire straits and the only answer is to vote Democratic. If there were a legitimate 3rd Party option, I'd consider it -- THERE IS NOT!!!! Stop all the nonsense about Ayers, etc. Those are Repug 'Talking Points' and you KNOW it. I could tell you facts that would knock your socks off (NeoCon treason in the State Dept., Defense Dept., etc.) but you'd ignore it anyway!! Get on board the train to sanity!!! I respect your Alaskan independent streak, btw.


a waste of breath for ppl but...you may find this interesting

This sorta sums up your great DEM revolution http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=f67_1222761495 Bush doesn't or didn't have enough gall to try to end some of the "greed" caused meltdown. People will take advantage of whatever they can, Palin said it right in a soft and non-racial way, stating that alot of this is brought upon by ppl getting loans to the gills and bottom line DEMS have had congress for a while and this "liberalized" lending progam to anyone with a name HAS TO STOP. Only way that happens, because people are to stupid to control themselves in society today is laws. Then the greedy SOB's that are the cause of this unstability CAN'T prey on people, cause we all know that they will as long as they are allowed. If anyone will change this of the limited options we have is MC/Palin he just may have the adequate male-endowment and we all know Palin has know problem ruffling feathers either. Q is will they come out alive in the lions den who have been on the gravy train for too long.


Lots of good Republicans in

Lots of good Republicans in AK do not respect Palin and do not want to vote for her. Some of those I know will still vote for her, some will vote for someone else and some won't vote at all this year. (I'm independent, vote Repub and Dem depending on the person, and do not respect Palin.) Imagine if Palin was the Democrat VP candidate. Would you vote for a 72 year-old Obama anyway? It's a really tough decision for those who strongly believe in the principles of their party but are dreadfully disappointed by whom their party put on the ticket. Aside from her obvious lack of knowledge or interest in national or world affairs is that, except for her socially right-wing views, she's not really a Republican - she's not fiscally conservative, she's tax and spend. At this point, all anyone can do is make an informed decision and accept responsibility for that decision. If the voter knows what Palin is all about, disagrees with her and still votes for the ticket, they have to accept the result - that she may end up as President. (Personally, I think she's shootin' for 2012 so she can claim the big chair for herself.)


Debate was terrible

I am a 60 year old registered Independent who is aghast at the likes of Sarah Palin being on a ticket for the highest office in the country. I have known many women like Sarah Palin who are from every imaginable strata of economic and culteral diversity. They wear their ignorance like a sword of righteousness to smite the unworthy (i.e.- anyone who thinks differently). I watched the CNN meters on the focus groups and the gender meters all showed the same thing. When she started speaking the women went to negative numbers and the men showed a marked favoritism. Can it be that women were actually listening to the points she was trying to make and saying "no" with the turn of a dial? Perhaps men hear what they want to hear as long as the messenger is perceived to be physically attractive. I supported Hillary Clinton because she had brains and guts. Sarah Palin only has T and A. I hope that isn't what we base our country on.


re: from surreal to so real

Shortly after the announcement of Gov. Sarah Palin, C-Span replayed a gubernatorial debate from 2006. I was immediately impressed with you -- I was immediately nonplussed by Palin, to put it lightly. As such, I've been checking back here every so often. You completely called her game plan before the debate, and this one further hit your points home - your Biden corrections were succinct and fair as well. As a Pacific Northwest native down here in Arizona, I find your insights invaluable and the best I can find, since the closest to Alaska I've ever been is Roslyn, WA! A lifelong Democrat, I can't believe you lost to either Knowles or Palin. But, it's a democracy - not a meritocracy, right? Keep up the good work for the former!


typo

whirlwind, not world wind. You must be exhausted. Wish Id gotten to see your post-debate commentary! Hope you had fun.


The Difference Between Dentists....

... There is a Dentist who is apparently "emotionally involved" with all this becasue his sign compares you to Gallo Winery... ...I got some Veneers to get done before all the conventions this month... so, Anyway...do you do veneers? Want someone that is good at what they do. And your coverage on Palin has been ... (Excuse me while I go outside and barf on the pavement for using one of Palin's Expressions) : "Spot on" ...ok, I'll rinse good before the search for a good dentist continues.. But ain't gonna use any "Emotional Dentists" ... so the search continues...


Degree in Journalism?

How the heck did she get a degree? She doesn't have an understanding of basic english. She ends sentences with the word also as if it were a period. When she really wants to buy time, she ends her sentence with the words though also. It's hard to listen to. Is it part of the fake "Fargo" accent she has decided to use? Golly, you Betcha!


You are totally correct

You are totally correct about the fake accent! I am from North Dakota, trust me when I say, we do not speak with a "Fargo" accent. The definition in the dictionary for the word 'FOLKSY" is friendly; sociable; unpretentious. I believe anyone thinking that Palin is trying to come across as folksy, that it isn't an act but only proves how ignorant and uninformed she is 'though also, but also-definitely not qualified to be a V.P..


I've visited here a few

I've visited here a few times of late and find your commentary refreshing. As a life-long, pro-life Republican of advanced age, I can tell you that the circus that is the Republican presidential ticket this election is not one that I, in good conscience, could vote for. I'll be voting Democratic for the first time in my life, for Obama/Biden, two level-headed, thoughtful and intelligent people who have both the requisite knowledge, and the wisdom to know that they don't know everything. We desperately need competence, and I see little of that on the Republican ticket.


Andy,Thank you so much for

Andy, Thank you so much for your comment. I was raised Republican but in recent years have voted Democratic. My vote is dependent on brains and the ability to use them. I find your view completely refreshing as both my Republican clients and my own father endorse a "slot machine" mentality; i.e., pull the lever for the "R" on the ticket. None of my clients would even give Sarah a first, let alone second, thought if she demonstrated such a lack of expertise in my profession, yet they would vote her into the second most powerful position in the world. It defies both logic and common sense to not vote for Obama/Biden who have clearly demonstrated both intellect and reason. I'll take those qualities anyday over "political prostitution."


yeah right

"...life-long, pro-life Republican" and you're going to vote for infanticide supporter Obama...yeah right, troll. You might have done better by just claiming to be a "life-long Republican". But you had to over do it by throwing in the "pro-life" bit.


erm... Just because Obama

erm... Just because Obama doesn't shed tears over the silenced squalls of future babies? McCain doesn't, either.


yeah right you betcha by golly wow

Sometimes it is hard to tell which group is the most loony, the Obama Believers or the Sarah Fan Club Members. Both sides seem to be sipping on the kool-aid a bit too heavily. We all have other options. We can vote 3rd party or write in a candidate. Those other options won't "win" but they will send a message if done in large enough numbers so we don't get tricked again in 2012 by a similar circus team on both sides of the aisle. The truth is, whether Obama or McCain wins, we all lose.


Your insight is very helpful

I'm in California, and most of us in the lower 48 have no idea who Sarah Palin is. So I really appreciate your perspectives. The interviews with Katie Couric gave me a sickening feeling, and disbelief that someone appearing so unqualified would be seriously considered for VPOTUS. As a professional engineer, I certainly can't BS my way through my job. None of my peers would (nor should) allow it--it would be unethical. Proper education is absolutely essential for any successful professional engineer. To watch someone so lacking in basic preparation for the job they are seeking, as Palin appeared, and to know that some people are still willing to vote for that kind of incompetence, is baffling. Most people would avoid a doctor or an engineer who doesn't possess a comfortable level of fluency, without notes, on their major areas of their profession. Folksiness wouldn't be sufficient. It's a shame some don't hold politicians who will be addressing our nations many serious problems to the same standard as they would their veterinarian.


reply

Hey you guys elected Pelose (sp) I do not think you have much room for comment


Good Point

It's Peolsi but who really cares.


Try Pelosi

Try Pelosi, but who cares about the spelling. And as someone above said, no matter who wins, we all lose. The scariest part of an Obama victory is the power that Pelosi will wield. It's a shame that McCain had to be so selfish to use poor judgment in selecting such a zero as Palin.


Keep up the good work

Andy: I'm not much of a blogger but my wife has kept me up on your blog and I'm finally getting a chance to check it out myself. I've been shocked and dismayed at the Palin candidacy. In my mind, McCain disqualified himself as a serious Presidential candidate when he picked her as a running mate. There is no way that she has any business running for the vice-presidency and you've done a wonderful job of documenting that. Now, I have really only one comment. Given all that you have so well documented, I hope you are strongly considering a vote for Obama and Biden. While I know their party and politics might differ from yours, they are candidates who don't have the fatal flaws that McCain and Palin have: the one with incredibly poor judgement and a blatant disregard for the welfare of the country by potentially placing a terribly flawed candidate second in line for the presidency, and the other with a level of experience that is so obviously not a match for the office that it is painful. The fact that Palin has some talent in presenting herself to the media and an ability to parrot meaningless political propaganda does not give her credibility as you well point out. I hope you take this to a logical conclusion yourself and vote Democratic!


Obama had the answers?

On the surge Obama was wrong and on Iraq he remains wrong. On Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae, McCain tried to rein them in as early as 2002 (as did Clinton earlier and Bush later). The Democrats in Congress (with some Republican help), including Obama once he got there, stopped every attempt to regulate these organizations closer. So on what questions does Obama have the right answers?


I don't like it but...

I cannot vote for Obama even given the shallow glamour-girl on the RNC ticket. Obama will ruin our economy for decades to come. Clinton benefitted from Regan and Bush suffered from Clinton, war, bad advice and limited ability. There is usually a lag in effect after cause. In this case we are starting in a bad place. Obama’s tax plan is blatantly dishonest. Put aside his individual income tax plan which doesn’t work, his business taxes on large and small businesses will increase the cost of goods and services for all as a result of increased tax burden. His definition of rich is twisted. Unfortunately, 40% of Alaskan families will be considered rich by Obama’s standards. We will not become more independent in the next 10 years if he sets our energy policies. He will create a false economy based on government jobs which will collapse as you cannot create a perpetual-economy through government. He will destroy innovation in the market place, decrease the value of the US dollar, open our borders, destroy our culture and finally set us up for a far worse attack than 911. He cannot negotiate with Islamic cultures successfully as he has no morals. Eventually, their hatred of the culture he will create in the US will only increase their resolve to destroy the “great Satan.” As much as I hate the reality of this election, I must support McCain. I can only hope that Palin will be bolstered by the conservative power brokers as they will not take her seriously. There is a chance that she could become a competent leader, but only if she recognizes her weaknesses and loses her over-active ego. God help us!!! Obama cannot and will not!


Selective memory

You want to discuss morals?!! Do your own research and you'll find that your McCain/Palin ticket has a problem with them as well!! I am not saying you should vote for Obama BECAUSE of McPalin's lack of character in many areas. I am simply reminding you of the "people who live in glass houses" adage. BTW, since I am an open-minded analytic thinker who does his own research, I urge you to go to www.factcheck.org and see what you learn. You may be surprised.


Fact checking

I will check again. In the mean time why don't you read the book,"The Audacity of Deceit." After this read you would put anyone in office before Obama.


Our economy's already in the

Our economy's already in the bucket. We've got a depression on our hands. What makes you think *anyone* can fix it? At least Obama seems to be in the race for himself, and not because he has daddy issues like McCain.


You are nuts! "At least Obama..."

Obama's daddy was a socialist and Muslim. He wrote a book that espouses that the "rich" and large cos. should pay a marginal tax rate of 100% to the government after they have earned "enough" by his standards. You have no idea what a depression is yet. If you morons put this socialist in office because he is a smooth talking deceiver, you will finally learn what a depression is. God help us. You ultra liberals have lost the plot and you represent 1/2 the population. Yikes!!! This is the worst set of choices and the dumbest populace ever (yet). Barack Husein Obama has pulled the wool over so many eyes. The main-stream media has blood on their hands as they are accomplices in the deception. I don't like McCain or Palin, but I hate the policies of Obama!!


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